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We have for you today, Paul Leslie’s second interview with Jim Mayer, commonly known as Uncle Jim Mayer. He’s a children’s music artist. This interview went down after Jim Mayer released the album “Let There Be Fun.” You should also know that Jim Mayer is the founder of IM4U Learning. You know what else? Jim Mayer has been playing bass with Jimmy Buffett since 1989. Isn’t that something?
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The Official Transcript
We’re welcoming back Jim Mayer, Uncle Jim Mayer. It’s a pleasure to have him back on. Thank you, Uncle Jim.
Good to be here, Paul.
You have another album out, uh this one
It’s about time, huh?
Yeah, you know, The last one I enjoyed the last one, but I have to say that this one, This one is extra special.
Thank you.
It really put a smile on my face in a lot of places
Good!
So this album is called Let There Be Fun.
Eighth day of creation.
And you wrote a couple of the songs with Mac McAnally. Yeah.
And one song with your brother, Peter. And a lot of great stuff here, a lot of great messages.
And I was wondering, like you have, you’re going around the world on this album in a lot of ways.
You mean to Hawaii?
We go to Hawaii.
And to Louisiana.
Louisiana, and to Brazil?
Brazil, that’s right. I forgot about Brazil. They have chairs down there, too.
[2:58] So tell us about the title track.
Let There Be Fun.” Yeah. Well, let me think here. You know, it’s so funny that these songs, one of the things I wanted to mention because the question I get asked the most is how do you write these songs or where does the inspiration come from or what happens and I think for many of us it’s a bit like having a radio in your head.
You just kind of have a radio in your head a lot, not to be confused with Radiohead, but you just have a radio in your head and, “Let there be Fun.”
I think the verse melody came to me first and I just, I don’t know, I wish I had some big old story behind that one, but really.
[3:41] I wanted to look at the world through the kid’s eyes, you know, on that song.
And the funny thing is, is that we all look at things differently. So, you know, for instance, the first line, you know, why do we have sky over our heads? You know, get out of bed, the sun will shine. And so if a kid looks at a tree, you know, the second verse is, you know, why do we have trees to leave the ground, you know, hang upside down, catch the breeze.
So if a kid, if a child looks at a tree, and you ask him, well, why do we have trees? Well, you you know, well, for a kid, you know, the reason trees are there is to climb on.
That’s the whole point of trees.
You gotta climb on them, you know, stuff like that.
So that was the thought behind it.
And just kind of “let there be fun,” you know, lighten up a little bit.
[4:28] And without getting too philosophical or anything, I just think, you know, that’s really what Buffett’s message is to me.
You know, let there be fun. You know, it’s like, I mean, like with Jimmy, It’s so interesting because he just has a way of looking at things.
So each one of us has our own way of looking at things.
We love hanging on the Buffett thing because his view of stuff is so positive.
I mean, someone gets hit by a hurricane and his attitude is, get a case of beer and a chainsaw, you got a hurricane party.
[4:54] You know, that’s a pretty different attitude. So anyway, I don’t know if that answers, what was the question?
Just press play. I’ll talk all day.
I was wondering how you got hooked up, I mean obviously you know Mac McAnally from playing with him, but how did the idea to get together and write some of these songs came about? I thought that was interesting. Did he hear the first album and said, I got to get in on this?
No, I wish that was the case. It was pretty simple. I mean, I consider Mac to be one of the finest songwriters in the world. So to me it’s kind of a no brainer. You know, you’re sitting in a hotel, you got a couple days off, and Mac McAnally’s a couple floors up or down from you, and you call him and say, “Hey, Mac, you want to kick in on some lyric ideas?” The first one we worked together on was Hula Hooping World.
We were actually in Hawaii, and I love Hawaii. We were in Honolulu, and I was in a grocery store in Hawaii, in their produce department.
Hawaiian music just trips me out, and there was this Hawaiian music playing over the sound system now. That kind of stuff.
Very sacred, lovely Hawaiian music.
[6:14] And I thought, well, that sounds really good. I need to write one of those songs.
So on the drive home…
I was driving home back to the hotel with a trunk load of apples and oranges and pineapples and whatever I bought there.
And I just thought, you know, “spinning all day, it’s a hula hoopin’ hula kind of world, trying to make some kind of hula hoop, because that’s the way the Hawaiian music sounds.
I know that’s probably completely inane or something for me to say that, but it’s that kind of feel. So I was hearing that in my head, and I had no idea where to take it.
[6:46] And Mac kind of helped clean up the chorus on that and kind of put me in the right direction.
And then I ended up deciding it was going to be about kind of a creation story about the stars spinning around in the solar system and the planets spinning like a hula hoop around the sun and we’re all spinning.
That was the first one I worked with Mac on.
I also worked with him on “Boom Boom Boom,” which he was a huge help.
He ended up cutting out. I had a whole verse written that he just kind of was like, well, why don’t we try this? And I thought, okay. So I learned with Mac when he makes suggestions, I pretty much go with him. But he helped on “I’m Mad Because I Want to be Mad.” So anyway, I’m getting ahead of myself. But what was the question?
So tell us about our two friends that narrate this CD. There’s Martin and then of course, Sammy.
Do you mind if I bring them into the interview? Because they’ve been excited about this. It’s their first time on radio.
Actually, I wanted to meet them today.
Okay, Martin, could you say hi to Paul, please? I would very much like to say hello to Paul. I have to say it’s a complete pleasure to be on your radio show. And Sammy, what about you? Yeah, brother, it is so cool to be here. Yeah.
Well, guys, welcome to the I’m glad you could join us.
Would you like to ask me a question, Paul?
[8:11] Yes, I have a question for you. Crunchy or smooth when it comes to peanut butter?
Martin – Well, Uncle Jim prefers the crunchy, but my personal favorite is smooth.
I think I like Peter Pan the best. He’s my best friend.
Well, speaking of…
Sammy -I like super chunky, man. It’s got to be super chunky and no wheat bread, only white with a toasted.
Jim Mayer: Thank you, Sam.
Paul ask the question please.
Well, you know all the listeners out there if they want to get in touch with me of course they can email me but my my aim instant message handle is itispbjelly time and my friends, it is right now peanut butter and jelly time.
So tell us were these two characters the the muse behind “Peanut Butter and Jelly?
[9:07] Well, they Yeah, when it is cousin Vic to cousin Vic’s a buddy of mine. He in in Nashville He’s my best friend in Nashville and great bass player and he’s just nuts. Where did Sammy and Martin come from?
What do you mean? Where did we come from? Uncle Jim? We bet here all that. I know I know Martin I know I know you’ve been here. I’m just trying to think this through. Lay it on him, brother, lay it on him!
Okay, Sammy, I’m getting there. Okay, I’m getting there.
Um, I’m not sure what song they first wanted to be a part of. Oh, it was “I’m So Happy.” I’m So Happy and this idea came out of these two different characters and they started talking and sometimes we’ll be driving down the highway and all three of us will be talking.
I haven’t got pulled over yet.
Well, you know, it’s funny speaking of getting pulled over the other day, I have something I’m not very proud of, but I got pulled over.
I was going a little fast and I was so mad, so mad, but I listened to some of your tunes, and I couldn’t help but smile.
I was smiling and I thought, you know, this is a bummer, but I have to do my civic duty and go pay the ticket, but I’m not mad.
[10:26] Even though I wanted to be, but that seems to be the biggest message in your music.
[10:33] And I do think it’s something that no matter how old you are, you could get out of that, and that is that you’re as happy as you want to be.
Yeah, yeah. Abraham Lincoln actually said that “man is about as happy as he decides to be,” on my DVD version of this CD, which I’m working on, I want to have those quotes in there, because that actually is an Abraham Lincoln quote, and I believe that pretty strongly.
Not to get way philosophical or something, but I think we tend to see what we are.
For instance, if you’re in a bad mood, everything sucks.
It’s pretty simple, but if you’re in a bad mood, it doesn’t matter how sunny it is.
But if you’re in a bad mood, it doesn’t matter how sunny it is.
It doesn’t matter how beautiful the day is or how friendly the people are.
It’s just things just aren’t right.
They’re just not right. And on the other hand, when you’re in a great mood, man, it can be cloudy and rainy and whatever. Something really nice just happened.
Man, it just doesn’t matter because you’re in a really good mood.
And sure, things will tilt you one way or the other.
But you’re right. That theme is in the CD a lot. “I’m So Happy,” I just decided today, I’m so happy.
And then on the other side, I’m mad because I want to be mad.
And sometimes you just want to be mad, that’s okay. You know, just take responsibility for it.
Don’t blame it on anyone else.
[12:02] So tell us about the song, “I Want to Know It All.”
Oh yeah, you know, I’m glad you asked about that song.
[12:10] I, excuse me, Uncle Jim, could I answer that one?
Martin I’d really like to take this. Okay. I’ll wait for later Okay, this one. I actually sent, Letters out to grade school teachers and asked them to come up with questions that the kids wrote down so I I had a whole list of questions from first through fourth grade of, Questions that kids asked I have tons of lists of questions. How many hairs are on a dog? You know, are there more boys and girls?
That was actually, so a lot of these lyrics actually came from questions that children had asked. And then I kind of tweaked them a little bit to make them flow in the lyrics.
For instance, the question, how come the earth just spins and it doesn’t roll?
I mean, that is such a cool question. So I made that into, how come, you know, the earth just spins, it doesn’t roll and twirl?
You know, are there, how many cars are in the world? That was one of the kids’ questions.
So that song totally came out of thinking like a kid and wanting to know, wanting to know it all. And then I asked a bunch of kids, what do you want to know?
You know, and some of them are hilarious. They were like, why is my sister such a jerk? Stuff like that.
But like, how come some people are so picky? That’s actually a kid’s question.
I mean, most of the questions were actually from the kids on that song.
[13:37] I was mentioning earlier that we kind of get a good taste of the music of the world on this album.
Yes.
And I think that’s important because I don’t think it matters how old you are.
There’s so much stuff out there and we should hear as much of it as we can.
Absolutely.
To my ears, a lot of the music today is becoming narrower and narrower.
We’re hearing less variety.
[14:06] To me, some of the most beautiful music that’s been made are the Bossa Novas from the 1960s.
I love, there’s a great artist, Estrude Gilberto, who brought the song, “A Girl from Ipanema,” which was butchered by thousands of wedding bands, unfortunately, and turned it into “The Boy from Ipanema,” whatever.
But Estrude was wonderful. So anyway, there’s all this great music, and my thinking was, when is a young child today going to get to hear a real Bossa Nova?
You know, when are they going to hear that? course, Sammy thought it was a burrito, you know. But yeah, that was actually intentional and I’m aware that there’s so many different styles on this CD and my closet hard rock guitarist gets to come out on recess and boom, boom, boom.
And there’s a lot of artists that we play on this show that perform on the album. And I wanted to ask you, was there any particular artist that you really thought shined on this CD?
Wow, well I’ll tell you what, Nadirah sounds amazing on this CD. She really sings great. She’s featured on I’m “So Happy” and the song “I’m For You,” and she’s also, her and Tina are actually on “Boom, Boom, Boom.
It’s Nadirah’s, it’s the first voice you hear on “Peanut Butter and Jelly,” that big stack of.
[15:33] singing that’s Tina and Nadirah. I thought Nadirah sounds incredible on this and one of the things that I, think I really want to underscore with the listeners this CD even way more actually than the first CD is, I mean it’s a children’s CD, but it’s really Made so that an adult could buy it and listen to it, and and I mean would you agree don’t you?
I do I do.
[15:59] It’s really even if you don’t have any kids, and I think that’s the biggest mistake mistake that people make about my music is that, oh, well, I don’t have any kids, or maybe I’ll get it for the nieces and nephews or something, and they’re actually missing a lot, because the music was specifically designed, for adults to really enjoy, especially songs like I’m For You, I’m So Happy, stuff like that.
There were a few songs that I listened to three or four times in a row.
Really?
Well, thank you.
I really liked the fullness of a lot of the tracks, and I’m a big fan of Jake Shimabukuro.
Oh, yeah.
And he played on one of the songs, the Hula Hooping World song. Yeah.
And also Sonny Landreth, of course, plays on the album. But yeah, there’s some great stuff on there. And I wanted to know, what do you think the most important message in your music is?
Whether it’s a kid listening or a grown up person or someone like me that’s in between.
Right, right. Well, gosh, that’s challenging to boil down for me.
I think, and this is maybe, I don’t know, I’ll probably give three answers and then find the one that makes sense.
[17:22] I mean, the surface thing to me is relax and enjoy is the message.
But I really think that the message of this CD is choice.
I think it’s about choosing how you want to be in the world and realizing that you have a choice.
I think you brought that up earlier. I really think that would be what I would say to the adults.
To the kids, I would just say, you know, have fun and work together, you know, play together.
“I’m For You” is all about community. It’s all about being real.
We don’t pretend. But I really think that, okay, like for instance, the song Recess.
Is about dealing with bullies on the playground you know well.
That’s dealt with by making a choice to just look them straight in the eye and go ahead and play anyway you know i will swing on a swing and slide on a slide i will run i will play but i will not hide i will look them straight in the eye.
I am free as a bird and i’m gonna fly you know it’s just it’s making a choice rather than being a victim that’s recess
“Boom Boom Boom” is, you know, listening to the sound in your head and, you know, basically, you know, being part of a sporting event, you know.
That was a song that I got to be a big part of.
That’s correct, Martin. You did, and I was very proud of you.
Yeah, “I’m So Happy,” I just decided today. “I’m Mad Because I Want to Be Mad.”
[18:49] I think it’s really about, you know, making choices, you know, making the right choices.
I wanted to ask you about Mailboat Records.
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
How did the album come to be picked up by Mailboat?
Well, that actually, a few months after, this actually started with Funky as a diaper.
A few months after I had released that, Jimmy Buffett came to me and he said, do you have the kids CD?
And I said, yeah. And he said, I’d like to hear it.
And I gave it to him to listen to. And a couple weeks later, one of his assistants came up.
They said, man, Jimmy really likes your CD and he’d really like to put it on Mailboat.
So Jimmy and I had a very brief meeting in Chicago and he just said, “I really like what you’re doing and I’d like to put it on Mailboat and try to sell some CDs and do something good with this.”
And I said, “man, amen to that.”
[19:44] It sounds like a plan to me. And this new CD also will be on Mailboat Records and it will actually be available on their website very soon, as it will be on my website.
But yeah, it was pretty simple. Stuff with Jimmy tends to be: he’s very decisive, he makes decisions very quickly.
If he likes something, he likes it, and if he doesn’t, he doesn’t, and it’s real simple.
So I lucked out. He really liked this CD a lot, and he really likes the second CD, too, and so I feel privileged to be part of the Mailboat lineup.
It’s a great company to work with because it’s very low key and down to earth and very accessible, you know, unlike most record companies.
It’s a little bit, you know, it’s not exactly a family deal, but I feel like we all know each other real well and I can get a hold of anyone when I need to.
So it’s a really good thing.
[20:41] And you mentioned earlier that there’s going to be a DVD released.
Yes.
So tell us about the DVD coming out.
Yeah, the DVD, I’m going to try to make the DVD come out quicker than the CD came out because I wanted the CD to come out about a year before it did.
The DVD, as you already know, I have a really, really wacky sense of humor.
On the DVD, there will be some music videos, but there will also just be some sketches and skits and just crazy stuff.
The characters Martin and Sammy, but in the DVD, I actually have several conversations with inanimate objects.
[21:23] I talked to a stop sign in Florida. I talked to a brass duck in Boston, I talked to a 747 jet at the LA airport that’s from Australia, doesn’t quite know where it’s going.
So there’s a lot of fun on the video, a lot of crazy stuff. And I had about 28 kids watching a pile of dirt in central Illinois at a small town.
And we actually put up a sign that said dirt watching, you know, a dollar. We announced it.
I told the teacher, the teacher’s a friend of mine there, and I said, just tell the kids at 5 o’clock, 5 p.m., Uncle Jim’s going to be watching dirt, you know.
So it was hilarious, man, like five minutes to five, all these soccer mom vans start pulling up coming around the corner. I mean, it was like if you build it, they will come.
[22:15] I mean, they just started piling around the corner and there’s this big pile of dirt in this construction site.
And so they set out folding chairs, and those kids sat quietly and watched dirt.
[22:26] Three minutes, which I figure that’s an extreme sport for kids to be quiet for three minutes and none of them raised a peep.
It was actually funny because afterwards, I asked one of the kids, I said, how was it?
I’m all psyched about dirt watching. First time ever done in history, never been done before.
He said it was boring.
I said, what do you mean boring? Was it the most boring thing you’ve ever done in your life?” And he said, no.
And I said, well, next year we’re going to go for five minutes.
Are you coming back? And he said, “absolutely.” He goes, “yeah, I’m coming back.”
It’s crazy stuff like that. And just wacky skits and all kinds of goofy stuff.
It’ll be fun.
So do you have anything in mind for another album?
I’ve got several albums in mind.
Yeah. I noticed, the first thing I did when I got the CD is I was like, where is “Where is My Toothbrush” on here?
Where is your toothbrush?
Remember that?
No!
On the last interview, we talked about “Where is My Toothbrush”? Because that’s a question everyone’s asked.
That’s right. That’s right.
Well, I’m seriously ADD, so I’ll come up with all these ideas, and that’s why I have a little recorder like you do and I just I just talk into them all the time and.[23:52] catalog all my ideas and write songs out of them. But yeah, where’s my toothbrush? Yeah, that’ll need to be on the next one.
[23:59] Yeah, no, I’ve actually I’ve actually got ideas for a couple I mean, it’s you know, that’s the thing is it’s just to getting them out enough, you know And I the next CD I don’t want to wait as long I really don’t I want the next one to be out much sooner than you know, I don’t want it to be another couple years, But yeah, yeah, no, I’ve got a bunch of ideas.
I mean, I’ve got kind of a bunch of Broadway-type songs that are kind of nutty, and one called “Belly Button Grow.”
And all kinds of wacky stuff. I mean, I think I’d rather just talk about this CD right now.
But yeah, there’s tunes piled up and backlogged and whatever.
I mean, when I finish this CD, I mean, this song, this CD By the way, there is a hidden track, that’s what Sonny Landreth plays on, and “Mom, I Love you but you Don’t Got Cable.”
That’s hidden after. That’s the sequel to Where’s the Turkey?
That’s when Harold ends up moving in with the Farthingtons, and that needs to be a cartoon someday.
So, tell us, have you ever thought about doing a duet with someone?
Well, I do a duet with Nadirah on “I’m for You.”
[25:11] What are you thinking of?
You know, it’s funny because there’s this is just an idea I mean just an idea that popped up when I was listening to this album I was thinking you know, the thing about Jimmy Buffett is he has this sense of[25:25] childhood wonder about him.
Yeah, totally.
And to a lot of people that’s very precious, you know, and I was thinking.[25:33] He kind of has a voice that would go well with this kind of music.
Oh yeah.
So maybe one day.
Maybe one day I’d love to do a duet with Jimmy. I should I should ask him on the next CD. That’s a great idea.
So is there any song in particular that’s a favorite of yours?
Yeah without a doubt my favorite on the CD is “I’m For You.” That’s just I just like that song and when I recorded this CD a lot of the material to be honest I wasn’t even sure they were kids songs you know and that’s that’s why I I kind of keep telling people don’t just think of this as a Raffi remake, which it’s not at all, or like a Barney, whatever, Bonanza.
It’s not that at all. In I’m For You, I wrote, and I really wasn’t even sure it was a kid’s song, but I liked the song so much, and I tweaked the lyrics so that it would fit with, I was trying to tweak the lyrics so that they would apply to almost any situation, even if it was a a committed relationship or best friends or two 13-year-old girls or guys in school that are just like best friends, or a classroom of kids or a sporting team, a baseball team, or even soldiers.
I actually thought of the last verse especially, I actually thought about soldiers in Iraq fighting.
We play this game into the flame. I was really thinking about any scenario where people are working together and there’s teamwork.
[27:00] And I wanted it to apply to all those scenarios.
And so to me, that’s by far my favorite song on the CD.
I love playing it. And Nadirah sounds great on it, and it was real fun to write it.
What is the best thing about getting to be Uncle Jim?
Well the best thing about being Uncle Jim, I mean, Uncle Jim, like a lot of us artists, What we do, the character, is just a magnification of a part of ourselves and Uncle Jim is a very big part of me, sometimes to the annoyance of friends.
But the best part about being Uncle Jim is that life is a blast and I’m never bored.
I talk about this with Mac McAnally. [27:51] It’s very rare that I’m bored, whether I’m sitting at an airport or anything, because, you can have conversations with anything, a hairbrush or a remote control and ask them where they came from and how long they’ve been here at the Ritz?
I know some people think I’m schizophrenic or whatever. I think I’m just happy.
But no, the best part about being Uncle Jim is that life is fun.
You know, on long trips, Sammy, Martin, and I will have conversations about, like one for instance, was Martin wanted to be a, country singer. Now you notice how so many country singers have three names?
Martin wants to have four names.
Morgan Jessup Rayfield Williams, and Sammy points out that that’s one too many names.
You know, it’s one too many names.
Anyway, yeah, my brain is kind of like a constant TV show, so I just try to stay on the road.
If you see me driving, stand back 200 yards.
It might not be safe.
My last question, and I didn’t get to ask you this on the first interview, but I want to ask it to you now.
[29:12] This program goes out all over the world. So I’d like to ask you, Jim Mayer, Uncle Jim.
What would you like to say to the world?
Oh man, that’s easy. God is good, life is good, and we have each other. That’s my motto. Yeah, that’s the whole deal to me right there. That’s real easy. God is good, life is good, and we have each other. And I think the whole trick is just seeing that. Man, there’s a lot of tough stuff going on right now. I mean, it’ll blow your mind.
The trick is to not be mistaken that that’s all that’s going on.
I think the TV would very much like us to believe that that’s all that’s going on.
[29:56] The fact is that’s pretty much what sells, you know, and I know that’s kind of cliché and I don’t mean to sound cheesy, but I think it’s pretty true.
I think that, you know, what sells is the pain and the distress and we’re trying to get some kind of, you know, some kind of rise out of the heart or what, I don’t know, something to get the pulse moving and to me just getting out of bed in the morning is pretty thrilling.
But my attitude is you can stir up the glass all you want, sometimes you got to stop stirring it and just see what the contents are and by that I mean, take a day to slow down and see what’s really going on because man, we go fast, there is so much speed in our culture, in our world, but that’s it for me, man.
I mean, and to me, you know those bumper stickers that say “if you’re not pissed off, you’re…
What is it you’re missing something?
It’s like you something like if you’re not mad, you’re not paying attention.
Yes. You’re not paying attention! To me: If you’re not grateful. You’re not paying attention. I mean what you know.
[31:05] And yeah, there’s probably a lot of things to be mad about. And I would agree that there’s a lot of things that need changing all over the world But to me if you’re not grateful, you’re not paying attention. If you’re not joyful, you’re not paying attention, you know Pablo Casals, a great cellist, I mean there’s this great story about him with a student cellist and him and some other really great cellists were sitting around and the student played a piece and this friend of Pablo Casals just tore him to pieces, you know, and it’s like, “oh, this is wrong, that’s wrong, that’s wrong,” and Pablo Casals said, you know, “any idiot can tear it down, but it takes an artist to build it up,” you know, and I think that’s It’s really what I love about what Jimmy Buffett does is, he makes life more fun.
It’s really simple. It’s just more fun. He has a way of looking at things and that’s a lot of what I’m trying to do too in my own way.
Just a way of looking at things that makes life fun. I mean, given your choice, wouldn’t you rather have a good day than a bad day?
It’s pretty simple. We don’t know that we have our own hands on the button, you know, we can flip that switch, you know.
So anyway, enough philosophizing.
[32:19] Well, to put it simply, there’s a smile in the sky.
There’s a smile in the sky. There you go!
Well, Uncle Jim, I really appreciate you taking the time to talk to us. And as always, keep doing what you’re doing because it’s a very positive message. And I’ll tell you, you can tell it’s heartfelt and it doesn’t matter how old you are. The message is pure and I appreciate you taking the time and doing this. Everything.
Well, thanks so much, Paul. It’s great to be on your show again.